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modernity/post-modernity
raj 2005.04.11 14:10
rita i am not sure if you are baiting us or have a point...but i will play along. i like the questions...
first back to the others...loos critique of primitive tatooing ...( i do need to reread loos)-- can this also be seen as a plea to remove cultural stigmas directly relating to position, heirachy, place, cultural stigmas...etc. ?
as for a new "dark ages" ... it would not suprise me. i think the public in general are feeling trapped by ignorance of a rapidly changing science and technology that they embrace their "simpler times"...a sort of memory clutching on to a natural understanding of things. a form of establising some sort of control. of course with that comes something that assumes REAL control...that invisible hand is slapping us around. letting the consumers to mind numbingly head back into the mall buying and sleeping their way to "happiness" orgy porgy...
their will always be a small group crying for those who are alseep to WAKE...i loved the images of kurt vonnegut's book Timequake to see the cultural awakening that we really need to experience in this world!
i digress...
i don't really know if it assimilation by something...but really our cultural laziness. willing to fall, with memories Wells warned us of, for the same ridiculous party line over and over.
so...brink...i am in your court. i don't think movements "die" but we evolve. despite darwins idea that we "progress" toward the fittest...i think that we just evolve in our ideals. did the renaissance die? no it was just replaced.
universal truth in modernity acknowledges that it is too great for us here in this plane to understand. it is the purity of everything. this is pulled verymuch from an understanding of plato's "god" observer, watchmaker ...whatever. i don't think it really mattered...just that there is a public good...a good and evil...
whereas PM loves your comment that their statement is a rational error...they are ok with that...like the idea that christianity, judism, muslim, hinduism,buddhaism,etc. can all be the same DESPITE the fact that EACH denys the other!
it is more about spin...recreating history, rereading it to see a new truth...gosh do we love biographies!!
the ether is now just spirituallity...it is a truly subjective experience hardly founded on any rationality...just a belief they are right.
as for the arch photo or candid shot...i would say NEITHER...once something is made into art...is it merely still a picture of something? is the mona lisa really just a pict of someone? arch is really the design of SPACES ...the area between walls...hardly matter...hardly photogenic...
modernity/post-modernity
pazdon 2005.04.11 14:31
forgive me (if) i am a bit less informed than those on this discussion board but i would like to participate bc this is much more intellectual than than the "White/off-white" and "dead wrong" discussions...
Rita - I believe point of modernism was to search for the universal truth using the most rationally based methods conceivable at the time. there was a belief in the machine and technology as a means to achieving the truth but i dont think the truth was ever truly attained but rather envisioned as a goal?
Cindy Sherman's photography in the seventies make an interesting illustration of relative truths. sherman photographed herself dressed as iconic figures in popular culture. at first look it is easy to mistake sherman for the actual character. the photographs called to question whether sherman or the icon were the subject of the work, and whether the icon or sherman were a "True" representation of the icon if the viewer perceived them to be the same.
i think your next two statements are really beggin the same question. i think to say that postmodernity "replaced" certainty with uncertainty is really the same and saying modernity's belief in what was true changed to uncertainty. which is why postmodernity may be continued modernity, depending on how you choose to see it. (another example of relative truths?)
your last question: for me, neither.
modernity/post-modernity
Rita Novel 2005.04.11 14:46
Maybe I'm baiting AND have a point. Maybe the baiting is the point, or vise versa.
Who said anything about "dark ages"? Is Krakatoa going to erupt again?
Platonic Forms exist only in the ether, don't they?
Ok, which is more ethereal then, a professional architectural photograph or a candid snapshot of a building?
There is one thing that distinguishes Christianity from the other major religions, and that is the notion that Divinity and Humanity are capable of being the same thing. [Gosh, that kinda sounds Pagan, doesn't it?]
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Rita Novel 2005.04.11 14:57
Maybe it's just me, but I see professional architectural photographic akin to plastic surgery, a kind of makeover.
I like Sherman's work a lot, but I see it as reenactionary before anything else. [Reenactment works with degrees of separation, anything from getting as close to the original as possible, to stretching the truth as far as it will go.]
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